When our phones are just phones with Kai Tang and Joe Hollier of Light
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The Lightphone: A Minimalist Smartphone for a Healthier Relationship with Technology

In this episode, we explore the fascinating story behind the creation of the Lightphone, a minimalist smartphone designed to reduce distractions and promote a healthier relationship with technology. Join us as we delve into the journey of Kai Tang and Joe Hollier, the innovative minds behind this groundbreaking device.

The Birth of the Lightphone

Kai Tang and Joe Hollier recognized the growing problem of smartphone addiction and the negative impact it was having on people's lives. Determined to offer an alternative, they set out to create a device that would provide essential communication features without the distractions of traditional smartphones.

The Lightphone was born - a sleek and minimalist device that focuses on the core functions of calling and texting. But it doesn't stop there. The Lightphone also offers features like music, podcasts, directions, notes, and even a hotspot, all while maintaining its commitment to simplicity and minimalism.

A Break from the Norm

What sets the Lightphone apart from other smartphones is its refusal to conform to the norms of the industry. Unlike most smartphones, the Lightphone does not have apps, track users for advertising purposes, or sell personal data. It is a device built with privacy and user experience in mind.

The Lightphone 2, an updated version of the device, raised an impressive $3.5 million on Indiegogo. With additional features like a camera, the Lightphone 2 further expands its capabilities while staying true to its minimalist philosophy.

A Different Approach to Marketing

One of the most intriguing aspects of the Lightphone story is its unconventional approach to marketing. Instead of relying on traditional marketing strategies, the founders have embraced word-of-mouth and grassroots initiatives to spread the word about their device.

Despite this unconventional approach, the Lightphone has gained popularity among a wide range of users, including families, celebrities, artists, and musicians. Its appeal lies in its ability to provide a break from the constant distractions of modern technology and offer a more present and mindful approach to using smartphones.

Inspiring a Shift in Our Relationship with Technology

Kai Tang and Joe Hollier firmly believe that smartphones have become too pervasive in our lives. They see the Lightphone as a catalyst for change, inspiring a shift in our relationship with technology. By offering a viable alternative to traditional smartphones, they hope to promote a more balanced and mindful approach to using these devices.

Join us as we delve into the world of the Lightphone and explore the potential it holds for transforming our digital lives.

Original Show Notes

Most of us are dependent on our smartphones. In fact, Americans spend an average of three hours a day on these devices — devices that only came into existence relatively recently. 

Designers Kai Tang and Joe Hollier have long believed that it’s not normal for humans to be so attached to their phones. So they launched their own company in 2014 to create an alternative...called the Light Phone.

This week on How I Built This Lab, Kai and Joe talk about their work to build a simpler mobile phone - without apps or tracking of personal data - which has been adopted by users across generations. Plus, the duo discuss the impact of society’s growing reliance on tech and their hopes for a less-connected future.


This episode was produced by Casey Herman with editing by John Isabella, research by Kerry Thompson, and music by Ramtin Arablouei. Our audio engineer was Neal Rauch. 


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