I spy: meeting Ukraine’s intelligence chief
The Economist Podcasts
Fri, July 7, 2023
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The Intelligence Podcast: Major General Karylo Budanov and Ukraine's War with Russia

In this episode of The Intelligence podcast, we delve into the captivating story of Major General Karylo Budanov, Ukraine's intelligence chief, and his crucial role in the country's ongoing war with Russia. Known for his charisma, intensity, and unwavering determination, Budanov has become a key figure in undermining the pillars of Kremlin's power.

Budanov's legendary status within the intelligence services stems from a daring raid he led in 2016, where he orchestrated the destruction of helicopters in Russian-controlled Crimea. His involvement in critical operations to save Kiev from the Russian advance, as well as his participation in sabotage and assassination campaigns, further solidify his reputation as a formidable player.

While some Western advisers view Budanov as a straightforward and incorruptible figure, his risky nature and controversial statements have raised concerns. Nevertheless, his influence extends beyond the war with Russia, as he is also engaged in secret talks with China and has been contemplating the future of post-war Ukraine.

Additionally, this episode explores the ongoing discussions at the International Seabed Authority regarding regulations for deep-sea mining. The potential environmental implications of this industry, such as the destruction of biomass and the impact of sediment plumes on marine life, are thoroughly examined.

Tune in to The Intelligence podcast to gain a deeper understanding of Major General Karylo Budanov's remarkable journey and the multifaceted challenges faced by Ukraine in its conflict with Russia, as well as the environmental concerns surrounding deep-sea mining.

Original Show Notes

We sit down with Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine’s youngest-ever spymaster. He is intense, resolute—and oddly charismatic. A world of electrified transport is going to need lots of nickel for batteries. We argue that, environmentally speaking, gathering it from the seafloor clearly beats mining it on land (11:12). And remembering Donald Triplett, the first person ever to be diagnosed with autism (19:25).


Additional audio courtesy of “In A Different Key”, inadifferentkeythemovie.com

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